FenceCalc

Guide

Setting fence posts without concrete

Tamped crushed stone holds a line post well and drains the base.

Short answer

Yes, for line posts on a fence up to about 6 ft. Fill the hole with crushed stone that has fines in it, tamping every few inches: a 4x4 in a 9 in hole 30 in deep takes about 0.89 cu ft, roughly 2 bags of 50 lb. Keep concrete for corner, end and gate posts.

Work out the fill for your holes

How to set a post in gravel

  1. Dig the hole to full depth, about three times the post’s width across.
  2. Put 3 to 4 in of stone in the bottom and tamp it, so the post stands on a firm, draining base.
  3. Stand the post, brace it plumb in both directions, and add stone 3 to 4 in at a time.
  4. Tamp each layer hard with a tamping bar before adding the next. The tamping, not the stone, is what holds it.
  5. Finish the top with soil sloped away from the post so rain runs off rather than down it.

Use crushed stone with fines, sold as 3/4 in minus, road base or crusher run. Round pea gravel rolls instead of locking together and never gets firm.

Stone per hole

Holes 30 in deep, post volume deducted, at about 100 lb of crushed stone per cubic foot
Post and holeFill50 lb bags
4x4 in a 9 in hole0.89 cu ft2
6x6 in a 12 in hole1.44 cu ft3

For more than a few posts, buy the stone loose by the ton or the yard; it is a fraction of the bagged price.

Gravel or concrete?

Gravel drains, so the base of a wooden post dries out between rains instead of sitting in a cup of wet concrete, which is where most set posts rot. A post in gravel can also be pulled and replaced without breaking out a lump of concrete. What gravel gives up is stiffness: corner, end and gate posts, anything on a fence over 6 ft, and any post in loose or sandy soil should go in concrete. Many builders mix the two: concrete for the posts that take load, stone for the line posts between them.

Other ways to set a post without concrete

  • Tamped soil: the original method, and sound in firm clay loam. Tamp in thin layers.
  • Expanding foam post setters: quick and light, and fine for light fences; less proven than stone for tall or heavy panels.
  • Metal spike anchors: for mailbox posts and low decorative fences, not for a privacy fence.

Frequently asked questions

What can I use instead of concrete for fence posts?
Crushed stone with fines (3/4 in minus or road base), tamped in layers. Tamped soil works in firm ground, and expanding foam or metal spikes suit light fences.
Can I set a 4x4 post in the ground without concrete?
Yes, for a line post on a fence up to about 6 ft. Set it in a 9 in hole at full depth and fill with tamped crushed stone, about 2 bags of 50 lb for a 30 in hole.
Do fence posts last longer in gravel or concrete?
Wood posts usually last longer in gravel, because the base can drain and dry. Concrete that cracks or shrinks away from the post holds water against it, which is where posts rot.
How to stabilize a fence post without concrete?
Dig to full depth, put a tamped stone base in the bottom, and fill with crushed stone in 3 to 4 in layers, tamping each one hard. Bracing the post plumb while you fill keeps it straight.

Work it out for your own project